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Saturday, July 09, 2005
They're Laughing Now
But will the Toronto-Montreal-Ottawa elites be laughing when a pro-independence party takes power in Edmonton? Quebec was able to black mail Canada into Trudeaupia, aided and abetted by Red Tory Ontario. Perhaps the threat of an independent Alberta will snap this country out of its paralysis and move us toward freedom. The West has always been pissed at Central Canada, heck it's practically a Canadian Archtype - the Angry Westerner or especially the Angry Albertan. Are they serious this time? Well, keep moving in the same direction (i.e. to the left politically and downward by all other measures) my fellow Trudeaupian subjects and we'll see how far we can push them. Now there's a new national pastime! Let's see how angry we can get the richest province in Confederation. When they finally tell the rest of us to shove it, we'll say we're really sorry and promise not to steal as much from then as we did in the past. Sure. They'll believe us too. You can't bribe Alberta, it's mostly their money anyway.
As for me folks, when they go, if they go, I'm on the first flight to Calgary. If all that's left of Canada is one province, then out of loyalty to Canada I'll leave this pathetic charade we're slowly becoming. Before anyone goes off telling me that everyone in Cattle Country is a gun totin' Christian fundamentalist just itchin' to lock up the gays and hunt anyone who's skin colour is darker than pale white, shove it. I don't buy it anymore. I doubt Albertans are all that more religious than people in Ontario. The religious / secular split is strongly related to the rural / urban split. We're simply more effective here in Imperial Toronto at suppressing dissent. "You still believe in God! How backward!" Sure, and believing in the God called Government is somehow an improvement? At this point in history the better elements among the Christian community are pro-freedom. The secular elements in Canadian society are for the most part highly statist. They've shown a complete unwillingness to act in the face of the gathering threats to our national security and economic well being.
Times change, at other points in Western history overall and Canadian history in particular, the comparatively secular elements have been the pro-freedom faction. Today the secularists have dropped the ball in the fight for freedom. Had we followed the predominately secular left in the latter half of the 20th century not only would the Soviet Union have remained a global force but North American society would have collapsed. The 1960s were not a period of liberation but anarchy. In their initial stages the two have a similar feel and look, yet soon enough their differences become apparent. All revolutions, as the truism goes, go too far. This explains temporary excesses but not long-term disasters. The French Revolution failed not because its intellectual leaders we're too radical - though that was certainly a problem - but because they had no plan.
Rousseau's Great Legislator was merely absolutism without either legal or moral restraint. When you pine for a dictator one will eventually come along, whatever protestations might be made about "liberty, equality and fraternity." The law of single rule admits no equal, as Schiller reminded us. What applied to the French two centuries ago applies to the radicals of the 1960s. They had no plan. They're goal, as far as they had one was, to paraphrase Orwell, a boot in the face of Western Civilization. A nihilistic attack on the collected wisdom of two and a half millennia. They're cover was the injustices of the past, as all revolutions. The baby, sometimes quite literally given the declining birth rate, got thrown out with the bath water.
What does this have to do with Alberta? If the main objection to the "Alberta approach" is that it is "too religious" then what is the alternative? The pro-freedom secular faction in modern society is tiny, a collection of quarreling Objectivists, Austrians, Libertarians and a miscellaneous group that draws to a greater or lesser extent on those three, relatively new, traditions of thought. The secular forces in Canadian society, and Western society in general, are committed to statism with an unthinking fanaticism. They cling to the Golden Era of four decades ago and hope for its resurrection, so to speak. Partly this is late middle aged nostalgia and partly a realization that they failed in many of their goals. None of this is surprising. How do you build on nothing and especially a nothing so openly and eagerly declared.
As for the "fundamentalists," yes they are a threat, perhaps a greater one long-term given that Christianity is an actual intellectual system rather than a series of disconnected slogans. Still, the theocrats in waiting are a small minority and regarded with as much suspicion within the Christian community as from without. On a side point, the difference between the Christian West, or what's left of it, and the Muslim East, is that mainstream Christianity condemns and attacks its violent and fanatical fringe groups. It does not give tacit support to those seeking to destroy liberal democracy. This may change, we'll see. It is also easier, in my experience, to challenge the average Christian's faith in Him than the average Toronto Liberal / NDPers faith in It - Government. The former will usually give you a polite hearing, the latter will denounce you as a heretic to It and a traitor to Canada.
For the time being I prefer my religionists straight rather than on the rocks with a twist of B.S. If Colby Cosh is looking for a room mate, the e-mail address is on the left hand panel.
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I am from Alberta and I am happy to see an article like this. I am pissed right off with the Liberals, from the bullshit of bill C-68, to their cowardice and refusal to act against Iraq, right on through to the scandals coming out of the Gomery inquiry and the pervert laws of same sex marriage. We have a first world nation with a third world gov't.
I am not a religous conservative, I am not a simple minded redneck or a country bumpkin. The problem I have with Canada is that it is supposedly a partnership among the provinces. I have to ask myself about this partnership...what's in it for us? My vote isn't worth a frenchman's. My farmers can't sell their grain themselves, they will go to jail if they do not go through the wheat board, while eastern farmers can sell to whoever pays top dollar. My most important customers are in the US. My idiot gov't is hell bent on pissing the Americans right off. I am worried about balanced budgets, keeping health care plans up to snuff, caring for our seniors and giving our kids the best education they can have. The federal liberals are worried about making sure Grampa registers his bird and gopher gun, that faggots and queers can adopt and marry, and preventing french manure sacks like Cretin from prosecution in the courts.
Your country is off its friggin rocker, and I want out.
Posted by: Jim | Jul 9, 2005 4:09:07 PM
Publius,
Unfortunately, with your friend Jim's remarks here, my support of your position is in rapid decline. A man who is worried "that faggots and queers can adopt and marry" is not a man worthy of your intellect or support. The entire reason that the fundamentalist aspect of Western Christianity is kept in check is because largely there is no intellectual/cultural support for the lunacy and hatred they themselves are quite capable of. The moment you give them that benefit, is the moment you will doom us all to tyranny of probably a worse sort.
Remember, for men like these religeon stands above civilization, reason or the West as such. If they can go on Harry Potter book-burning campaigns en masse, if they can protest the burial of an American special forces soldier who was defending their freedoms, with signs like "Thank God For IEDS," "Fag Body Bag," and "Fag Soldier In Hell", not to mention the pure state interventionist menatlity of the Shiavo case... then their defense of the West is more incidental than some reliable aspect of their philosophy.
Posted by: Brutus | Jul 9, 2005 4:56:04 PM
Publius
After reading your comments on secularism I was about to say:
‘Bravo, you’ve nailed it, now we have nothing to differ on.’
Then I read Jim and Brutus.
I may be wrong, but I don’t think Jim is stating his social conservatism from a Christian fundamentalist point of view. I know lots of middle-aged guys that say what Jim says and they are pretty much atheists. I’m a social liberal simply because I know and like a number of gay people, in fact they are significant contributors in my Presbyterian Church here in Toronto. But although I’m a Christian, I have arguments about SSM with atheists who are against SSM. So SSM is not about religion, it’s about values. It’s a free country.
The Liberals have cleverly hi-jacked the SSM issue to their advantage because most Canadians are urban and have gay friends and associates. The Liberals didn’t support it because they are noble and trying to do the right thing, they were just opportunisits as usual.
Brutus I think Publius is correct about 2 very key things:
- Most people will gravitate to some kind of religion and Christianity (even fundamentalists who don’t think you’re gonna get into heaven) is safer then statism.
-Also my experience is that Christians will marginalize their nut cases better then the statists will marginalize theirs.
And again, just because some Christians are having trouble accepting SSM doesn’t make them dangerous. However, statists appeasing terrorism is dangerous. So Brutus I’d say you might have to make some choices based on the “Lesser of Evils” – Gosh, I didn’t intend to sound like our PM in waiting - Michael Ignatieff.
Also, it’s OK to lose heart with Canada, I do once in awhile too, but where are we going to go? Remember Clinton? And Gore and Kerry almost got elected – they are not a helluva a lot better then the wimps we have. So I hope y’al stay and fight the good fight.
Posted by: nomdenet | Jul 9, 2005 9:58:37 PM
An independence party is on its way to Edmonton and the rush is so sudden and overpowering that Ralph and the red PCs have pulled out all the stops to tank it's proponents....but they can't stop it.
I for one will be supporting this independence movement with all the resources I can give it. The time has come to save at least a small part of Canada from the rot. The anology to being the 21st century Argentina is so starkly real, I'm in awe that the eastern voter cannot see this simple truth as the evidence unfolds daily.
I look forward to being a wealthier and freer Albertan after we rid ourselves of the federal level of government that has not only strangled our potential and spirit but is killing Canada by degrees with its 3rd world governance.
Posted by: WLMackenzie redux | Jul 10, 2005 2:40:50 AM
Nomdenet,
I'd just like to point out that I take back nothing I've said in the past about religion. I still consider it a long run danger to freedom. Taking things on faith in the literal sense of suspending rational analysis and discourse is an invitation to all sorts of evils, including tyranny. Faith can be faith in supernatural being or faith in an arbitrary doctrine that is nominally "scientific." Marxism is the classic example.
If I had been living in Quebec in the 1950s I almost certainly would have been supporting the Cite Libre crowd. The greater danger then was the Church not the State. Today the latter is the greater threat. Two and a half centuries ago I would have been with Voltaire, "Crush the Infamy." But when the infamy is now the State a change in battle plans is required.
All this is a tactical assessment not a strategic one. In twenty years perhaps I will be backing the secularists, if they've gotten their act together.
I philosophically concede nothing. I will continue to oppose everything I regard as a harm or even a positive evil. Ideas have consequences I will make clear, to paraphrase Hugo, that this will in time destroy that. But in the meantime we are faced with concrete circumstances.
When the British for centuries played the Balance of Power game in Europe they were not expressing, necessarily, a philosophical preference for one side or another. The British probably had more in common with Bourbon France than with Frederick the Great's Prussia, but the former was a greater threat. By the late 19th century this had reversed and the British sought an Entente Cordial with the French and began to align themselves against their tradition allies, the Germans and the Austrians.
Times may change but in basic principles I am as constant as the northern star.
On a personal level I know that people choose religion for a variety of reasons. Modern christianity is a mixed bag of positive and negative aspects, I can't say which attracted an individual. You have to judge people by who they are, not simply by what they say they are. There are plenty of Christians, Brutus, I've met you who sound rather "objective" in their ideas.
As for the leftist, they tend to be less intellectual these days than many religious conservatives, i.e. willing to debate ideas on a fundamental level or even understanding there is a deeper debate than the merely political. The platform of the left is at this moment little more than a series of slogans connected by some vague notion of "sharing." This is not so much altruism, since any attempt to debate ethics with these people often collapses within seconds as they repeat their various mantras, but intellectual drift. There's no there there.
Posted by: Publius | Jul 10, 2005 8:43:10 AM
Some news from Wretchard here
http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2005/07/belmont-club.html
I'll bet Ignatieff was one of his Profs.
Posted by: nomdenet | Jul 10, 2005 8:53:08 AM
Publius I’m aware we may still differ on the long run dangers of religion, but one of the few things Keynes was right about was “ in the long run we’re dead”.
Meanwhile you have chosen the “lesser of evils”. Understood. Because as conservatives we all agree on a less intrusive government and personally I’ll worry about the next intrusion, be it the Presbyterians or whatever, when they actually start intruding.
BTW being raised in Quebec in the 50’s and 60’s I didn’t join the Separatists but at the time often said I would have joined had I been French Canadian ( I would not have put bombs in mail boxes). But the new threat in Quebec is no longer a Faustian contract between Duplessis and the Catholic Church; it’s now a statist interventionist contract with the unions etc. A new battle is necessary- and the beat goes on.
Maybe a topic for another day; but I’m noticing downtown Toronto types , say corporate lawyers, who formally were pretty sanguine about Quebec and are now very hostile toward Quebec – saying “ let ‘em separate, we’ve had enough of the blackmail”. These same people are not as hostile about the Librano$. I think they have it a bit backwards.
Posted by: nomdenet | Jul 10, 2005 9:17:02 AM
My offer is still good - We will trade you the New England states and throw [roll] in Teddy in return for Saskatchewon West.
Posted by: Walter E. Wallis | Jul 10, 2005 1:44:10 PM
Someone who hates Christians hates a lot more people and for much less reason that someone who hates gays. So you can shove that "bigotry" sneer, brutus old fag.
Posted by: ebt | Jul 11, 2005 2:52:11 PM
Ebt,
Much less reason? Sorry, old boy, but I havent forgotten the Dark Ages, the destruction of the Classical World, and the uphill battle of the forces of Reason throughout the Enlightenment, Scientific Revolution and onwards. To put it mildly, Christianity did not bring you the Steam Engine, Calculus or the Industrial Revolution. The only thing homosexuals have done is decrease crime rates in the areas where they live, slightly increase the hedonism of sexual relations, and plastered those silly flags everywhere (Im still looking for the pot of gold). Not exactly a curse on humanity.
Besides, I don't "hate" Christians. I hate anti-intellectual faith-peddling demagouges. Whether they are Religeous (like yourself, Im sure), or Socialist. For this reason, you dont see me asking for nomdenet's head, though we have our numerous disagreements. Your head, of course, Id rather not have - who knows how many other bigoted and inane comments you have rattling around in there.
Good Day.
Posted by: Brutus | Jul 11, 2005 10:46:42 PM
You haven't forgotten the Dark Ages because you're still living in them. Nice that you don't hate Christians, but since you could not be more violently bigoted against them if you did, it's not much help.
You're a stupid, dishonest little excuse for a man, aren't you? Of course you were born that way, it's not a choice, yadda yadda. Have fun dying of AIDS.
Posted by: ebt | Jul 12, 2005 1:41:44 PM
Ebt,
I see that you have failed to read the Statement of Intent and Etiquette sections on the left-hand panel. Every word you have flung at me has been an insult (though mostly incorrect since I am neither stupid, not a homosexual, nor infected with Acquired Immundeficiency Syndrome), or simply an attempt to degrade the intellectual content of this blog to your own base level. In other words, you are our first religionist troll - we had the first leftist troll many, many months back.
I'll give you a chance (though Im not sure why I even try at this point) to contribute some thought to this blog, rather than vile rancor. If you do not, Im sure Publius would not be opposed to me banning you.
As a final addendum, is it not a little inane (or perhaps a little overdosed on hyperbole) to accuse a student of the Sciences, espousing Enlightenment principles, as someone living in the Dark Ages? Or have those concepts no meaning to your mind whatsoever? By George, Bacon and Newton were wasted on you.
Posted by: Brutus | Jul 12, 2005 7:28:04 PM