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Monday, February 18, 2008
Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Muslim?
In last week's Assorted Links, a rather impolite creature left some odd comments whose full meaning, gentle reader, I will leave for you to decipher. The essence of his, her or it's comments was that Old Publius was a closet advocate of open Muslim immigration. My response in the comments section is reproduced below. I have received some more comments regarding my pro-open immigration policy, many not too sympathetic. Defense, culturally or militarily, is the worst offense and closing our borders is the cultural equivalent of the Maginot Mentality. Radical Islam, or Islamism or Islamo-Fascism, or whatever you wish to call it, is not the danger. It's the multicultural Left, which is now beginning to come under attack - witness the reaction to the Archbishop of Canterbury's calls for limited Sharia - that constitutes the real danger to western civilization. As so often in the past the problem isn't the Other, it's the pathologies that lurk within our own society.
No closet here, I'm 100% in favour of open immigration. Even of Muslims. The more the better frankly. The overwhelming majority of conservatives are afraid of immigration, they want to close the door. This is a confession of weakness and fear, though understandable given the state of the culture. Faced with a similar intellectual pathology to Islamism the Canada of 50 years wouldn't have blinked. Islamism is a terribly weak ideology, relying upon the hand me downs of the dregs of western philosophy, like fascism and communism.
To win the war against Islamism we need only be ourselves and proclaim it loudly. At every turn denounce the violation of liberties and basic humanity. Every author censored, every women beaten, every daughter denied an education, in Karachi, in Tehran and in Mississauga. Speak loudly, speak boldly, have no fear of causing offense. The truth will set us and them free.
"And the obsession with Muslims is notable in that we must infer you are OK with the state of integration as well as immigration levels of Jamaicans, Bangledeshis, and Poles. That's you: Big Immigration Lover, totally cool with immigration as long as it is not Muslim. Which is stupid, by the way, because statistically Muslims do a hell of a lot better than Jamaicans, for example, on about any indicator you can name."
Quite right. Muslims make excellent immigrants, which is why I think we should have more of them. Let them come. Even in our weakened cultural state the most fanatical elements among the Muslim community fear the West. They know that once their daughters and sons understand our freedoms they've lost. Their dogmatic style of rhetoric reflects a grave weakness.
The great advantage of Muslim immigration to a nation such as Canada is the potential feedback effect. If we can create a rational and liberty minded group of Muslims, when they return "home" on vacations and trips they will spread their ideas and attitudes. The power of ideas cuts both ways. This is one of the ways in which the fascist dictatorships of Portugal and Spain were weakened in the 1960s. Immigrants to France, Belgium and Canada returned home with word about how free peoples lived.
"Don't point fingers at Muslims. They only came here at your invitation, back when you were bashing anyone who looked sideways at multiculturalism as unenlightened, redneck, or worse."
Whoa. You talking about me? Old Publius? Or is some straw-man you saw somewhere else? I have, as far back as I can remember, opposed the ideas of multiculturalism. The notion that all cultures - and therefore all ideas and values - are equal is appalling. It is at best moral equivalence and at worst plain racism under an "enlightened" guise. I also don't remember inviting any Muslims into Canada, I have invited some Portuguese relatives - any country could always do with more Portuguese people, especially Portugal which seems to have gone all Belgian in the last twenty years.
As for inviting Muslims, I wouldn't mind doing that at all. In doing so I'd just remind them that they are living in Canada now, and if they'd like to stay they must be loyal to ours laws, our values and our Queen. There are over 200 countries in the world, we are objectively one of the best. If you are honest enough to understand and admit this, act accordingly. Like the old British official who promised to hang widow killers, we should stand ready to do the same.
I would like to add to the above only this, a humanitarian consideration. Do you really think our society is so weak and incapable of cultural self-defense, that it requires us to close the borders? Before you answer that question please keep in the mind the price to be paid, not by Canada, the United States or Great Britain, whose immigration departments are flooded with worthy applicants from through out the world, but to those you will refuse entry. What fate do you leave them to? What happens to girls like Ayaan Hirsi Ali who are still left behind? Is their fate worth your fears?
Posted by PUBLIUS on February 18, 2008 at 05:36 PM | Permalink
Comments
While I whole heartedly agree that our immigration departments are flooded with worthy applicants, they for the most part do not get speedy approval. Approval seems to go to those who are least likely to succeed or claim some dubious refugee status.
Coming to Canada just to go on welfare or some other kind of social assistance should be removed as an option. There are certain cultural groups who just don't fit in to the Canadian mosaic, and they should be discouraged, instead of getting the royal treatment.
We as Canadians are quite capable of our cultural defence except that, for nearly 40 years, Liberal governments and policy have made that impossible. For now, if you speak out, you are hauled before a "Human Rights Commission or some other Lefty tribunal.
We are not allowed to defend our own culture!! If we(us) do speak up for our own culture we are immediately branded as "racists, xenophobe, islamophobe, homophobe Etc, Etc, Etc and threatened with legal action, at our own expense, while the true agitator gets the Liberal institutions(government) to cover the costs of their contrived complaints.
I will treat everyone as an equal if he/she acts like an equal. If they want special treatment they earn my despise and resentment.
Posted by: cdn.infidel | Feb 18, 2008 7:26:49 PM
Cdn. Infidel,
In a society with few "social assisstance programs", this would not be a particular difficulty. Immigrants would come based on their skills or the ferverent desire to work and better their lot (or the lots of their children, as is usually the case). The desire of this website's authors to see the nanny state dismanteled goes very much in hand with the notion that Canadian (primarily British, realistically) culture is capable of defending itself via verbal assertion, intellectual elaboration and action - and that this would open the door not only to immigrants, but to benevolent immigrant integration.
If nothing else, the removal of certain forms of long-term social assisstance would mean that immigrants would arrive in this nation with at least some of the values (hard work, independence) that have characterized Canada from it's very first founding steps as a beaver-hunting colony.
Yes, the immigration lines are indeed long. To speed up the process requires undercutting the welfare state intellectually and judicially.
At the same time, it cannot be a chicken or egg process. One cannot say that we should no longer allow immigration based on how rotten the system is, until the system rectifies itself. In that instance you would be losing whatever benefits provided by immigrants while you dealt with the tortuous process of government itself. To take an outright anti-immigration stance, as many on the right do these days, is to take some of the current negative results (undesirable immigrants such as criminals and violent Islamists) and project them as being the essential nature of the process. There is of course the typical aspect of protectionism, but that is a different kind of irrational fear altogether. So immigration in it's current form, and in some of it's current social results must be critisized. But the process should be dealt with in steps, piecemeal, instead of the wholesale xenophobia often displayed.
-B.
Posted by: Brutus | Feb 19, 2008 1:34:05 AM
This part is sooo true!
** Even in our weakened cultural state the most fanatical elements among the Muslim community fear the West. They know that once their daughters and sons understand our freedoms they've lost. Their dogmatic style of rhetoric reflects a grave weakness. **
Schools and teachers in Afghanistan are the most promising light for peace and freedom.
That*s why they are targeted for destruction by the Taliban.
Child poverty in Pakistan and Afghanistan feeds the Madrassah and the Taliban *club*. Logical that impoverished kids accept Osama*s daily meal and sleeping blanket with the customary mind-bending.
Education in Pakistan is mainly for the wealthy. A general school system is mostly missing.
Remember the training video of young boys in balaclavas and AK47s?
The more the West provides for these young people, the fewer brain washed AK47 carriers there will be. = TG
Posted by: TG | Feb 19, 2008 12:36:04 PM
The main argument I have to the point of this post is that many, if not most, of the extreme elements of Muslim society in western countries are native-born. They aren't the Muslims who came to the West seeking a better life, they are the sons and grandsons of those immigrants. All ethnic communities have their share of bad elements, but there is something unique to Islam that turns the worst memebers of their societies into homicidal fanatics rather than more manageable common criminals.
Posted by: RM | Feb 20, 2008 1:35:17 PM
RM,
That is primarily due to a failing of the Canadian nation to define, defend and integrate immigrants into it's own culture. This is a problem in the West as such - that the core values of Western culture have become so weakened that even a slightly strident and superficially confident cultural system like Radical Islam can easily convert those who are supposed to be Canadian 'at heart'. I have no doubt that any other equally confident system would have no problems in finding converts in the children of Canadian immigrants of other nationalities and backgrounds.
Note that this process happens with slightly greater frequency in Europe and with slightly less frequency in the US (at least according to my observations), pointing to the relative abilities of these nations to defend their cultures. It is quite evident, for example, that Britain has in fact surrendered more of it's culture than even the Continentals.
-B.
Posted by: Brutus | Feb 20, 2008 7:08:27 PM
This kultur kampf you speak of is already in progress.
It has been imposed on us without our consent. Taxes have been levied, property has been taken, and all without representation.
My taxes have been raised and diverted to fight this war. I have lost property. My brothers have been denied access to educational opportunities, to employment, and to peace of mind. All of which we had in living memory, and which liberties were bought with the blood of our parents and forbearers.
Regardless of the rightness or wrongness of this conflict, our rights have been trampled upon.
Who are the arrogant aristocrats who have usurped the power of the people? Who are these craven dry stone ditchers who have infiltrated and corrupted the Main Stream Media, the bureaucracy, the judiciary, and our educational institutions? Send these tyrants to the guillotine.
When power is returned to the people, and reparations made to the injured, then we can discuss social engineering.
No taxation without representation. Criminals to live in fear. Death to tyrants.
Posted by: Fenris Badwulf | Mar 3, 2008 5:27:44 AM
"There are certain cultural groups who just don't fit in to the Canadian mosaic, and they should be discouraged, instead of getting the royal treatment."
Ah, but those square pegs fit into the government mosaic beautifully. If they fit into the *people's* mosaic there would be no need for a big government, since everyone would be getting along so swimmingly all by themselves. The government is therefore motivated to bring in the most skill-free, helpless, tendentious, uneducated people. The resulting chaos and outcry is a tremendous benefit to those who "help people" on the government teat.
Of course most immigrants are actually not all that bad, even if they look very unpromising, so government must cripple their attempts to establish themselves by conspiring with unions, professional organizations, tax and regulatory authorities to make it as hard as possible for them to make a decent living.
There you have Canadian immigration policy in a nutshell. Oh yes, and don't forget that the reason they told us that we must have the most massive, government-sponsored immigration program in the whole world, is that the government's precious pyramid-scheme welfare scams are going to run out of dough unless millions of new potential taxpaying suckers are found, pronto.
P.S. There is nothing whatsoever that is better or worse about Islamic immigrants than any other group of people. There are a few extremely pissed-off people in their ranks because historically certain countries - UK, France, Italy, Russia, Spain, Netherlands and the USA come to mind - have taken very large sticks into the entire Muslim world and have beaten the people there extremely mercilessly for nothing but the most heinous of motives. And the ones that immigrated to places like UK, France, Netherlands and Spain found they had landed in dead-end, socialist dystopias. There's your roots of terrorism for you. Not very different from their Irish, Sri Lankan or South American brothers-in-arms.
Posted by: Hooey on all dat | Mar 10, 2008 10:49:43 PM