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MikeG81

I've noticed that many 'libertarians' are on board with Justin and his pot plan, which makes the whole thing funny as hell. Why?

Justin's 'tax and regulate' line. Essentially trading a war on drugs and its laws and regulations(and a 'tax' in the form of fines), for a different set of laws and regulations(and fines[taxes] for violating the same, PLUS more taxes) for a 'legal' drug. Instead of the police going after pot heads, you'll have revenue agents going after you.

Last time I checked, that trade off isn't a libertarian position.

LAS

"Needless to say he'll never legalized pot. Canada cannot unilaterally legalize any drug without at least the tacit consent of the American government."

Wrong. CO and WA states have already legalized the stuff. No response from DC. This excuse was asinine and thin before now it's a joke.

Given what years of Tory misgovernance has brought us, I'll take Justin Trudeau's pandering over Stephen Harper's unrelenting assault on freedom. It is clear-at least to those without blinkers stapled on-that Trudeau is a much better bet for freedom than Harper.

Cytotoxic

"Last time I checked, that trade off isn't a libertarian position."

Last time I checked, some stupid regulations was a lot more libertarian than throwing people in jail and encouraging gang warfare. So you're wrong the tradeoff is an obvious libertarian position.

Mikeg81

LAS comes along and makes my point.

Mikeg81

"Last time I checked, some stupid regulations was a lot more libertarian than throwing people in jail and encouraging gang warfare. So you're wrong the tradeoff is an obvious libertarian position."

How do you know that enforcing 'stupid regulations' won't result in people ending up in jail, forcible taxation by fines, or confiscation of property?

Oh, that's right, you can't, because it happens every single day with thousands of other 'stupid regulations'. The current enforcement situation is wrong, and stupid "tax it and regulate it" statements giving false impressions of freedom are also wrong.

You "libertarians" are cowards.

John Chittick

The Spawn is as libertarian as his father, a messianic statist poseur. He is simply pimping the vote on a single issue with popular support - Pot legalization. When it comes to the underlying question of whether it is the proper role of the state to prevent citizenry from experiencing adulthood, complete with responsibilities, consequences and free will, Trudeau is completely on side as is his conservative progressive adversary in the the PM's office.

Long before the first Canadian libertarian is ever elected to higher office, the Left will have cherry-picked Pot legalization/decriminalization from their basket of "goodies". In fact, libertarians are so ill suited to politics, their only likely means of achievement will come from incremental theft of their principles by an otherwise statist political class pressured by overwhelming populist support.

Cytotoxic

"Oh, that's right, you can't, because it happens every single day with thousands of other 'stupid regulations'. "

And it puts a lot fewer people in jail and causes lots less damage than the War on Drugs.

We aren't cowards. You people are just dumb. We operate at a much higher level than you.

Mikeg81

"We operate at a much higher level than you."

The son of a statist that is a statist that leads a statist party threw 'libertarians' a bone to get votes and you fell for more taxes and more regulation in the guise of freedom. That's operating at a higher level?

"And it puts a lot fewer people in jail and causes lots less damage than the War on Drugs."

Operating at a higher level would be knowing that the War on Drugs is unacceptable, and also knowing that stupid regulations that end up with people in jail is also unacceptable and be calling for the reduction in stupid regulations, not more simply to get your way with regards to pot.

But you can't do it, and that makes you a coward. Just another form of statist like most partisans. Have fun when Justin turns on you.

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